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Awhile back I put up a post on MTB Dirt about the history of the website to give members a sense of where it all began.

Road Grime is a few years old now itself, so, for those who might be interested, I re-wrote that history to include the coming of the Road Grime age right up to the current point in time ...

MTB Dirt and Road Grime History

The Beginning

We, the administrators and owners of MTB Dirt, ‘Mad Aussie’ (Steve) and ‘LeAngel’ (Leanne), moved back to Brisbane in Oct 2002 after living up on the Sunshine Coast for some years. We’d been dabbling in mountain biking up there for a couple of years and arrived here with absolutely no idea where to ride.
A few searches of the internet seemed to reveal nothing more than few references on overseas websites of a few trails around, but not much.

So we decided to build a website and see if we could gather information. It was a ‘IF you build it ... they will come’ decision.
We gathered up what knowledge we could find online about where to ride and made a basic site with a forum and called it ‘MTB Dirt Warriors.
MTB Dirt Warriors started slowly with a few people finding us quickly and bit by bit we gathered more info. After a few months, a few members (some of whom are members with us still) made us aware of a local website that more or less did the same thing but had been going a couple of years.
This was a site called DKNX which had a small population of around 200 members. Small as it was, it was very well respected by those that were members, and the members that are still with us, remain loyal to the memory of DKNX to this day.
As MTB Dirt Warriors slowly grew, the person running DKNX, a young man by the name of Ted, had increasing issues with his demanding student life and the ongoing costs of running a website. Before long Ted was ready to close DKNX down. As we’d shown ourselves to be dedicated in the local mountain bike scene and not showing interest in a more national face, Ted handed over his database to us instead of other interested parties with more national aspirations, and we amalgamated the two websites together.

MTB Dirt is Born

With the DKNX database in our hands we registered mtbdirt.com in July 2003, the name change coming from suggestions by members of the website who felt the ‘warriors’ part was not needed. We took that on board, made the change and began a new direction with the intent of not only looking after features DKNX had in place, such as the support for the Gap Creek Trails Alliance (GCTA), but also with a view of expanding the website to be an ever growing resource.

With our website development business we were able to put in place systems that encouraged the growth. At the time we used the phpnuke system to take advantage of the modular environment.
We designed trail maps and got involved in social rides and soon were leading many people around the forests with the help of knowledgeable members.
Right from the start it was apparent that the members themselves would be their own greatest asset to the website. Their influence and help would make it work. And work it did and our member base grew quickly.

Growth and Change

The next big change came in April 2004 when we again redesigned the website with a switch to the Joomla based php system as the older nuke variety had less and less technical support and forward growth of its own.
By now we were starting to work in with race promoters and the registered member numbers were expressed in the thousands.

Although we remained using the Joomla system for the next 4 years, we did make design changes from time to time and features of the website came and went for various reasons.
As the traffic to the website grew, so did the demand on our time and resources and before long it was apparent that MTB Dirt would need to able to support itself financially if it was to survive and be worth our effort. After much demand from loyal members we put donations in place and this lasted a year or so. A touching time to see members not only willing to donate to keep the website running but even pressuring us to put it in place.
Donations never felt right to us however, and banner advertising was now activated and for two years, only overseas entities shown any real interest. Although we’d resisted taking on overseas advertising it became necessary to make the website viable in the face of the lack of local interest and to provide a free resource for the local community.
MTB Dirt.com.au was registered in Sep 2004 and the website was now officially a business, even if was only to be self supporting.
From this point onwards, the redesigns that MTB Dirt would undergo, would always have some priority to attracting some commercial interest and revenue.

Thankfully local interest gained more momentum, and as the overseas contracts ran out we resisted renewing those relationships, preferring instead to foster more Australian clients in keeping with our original plan. We still find ourselves turning down lucrative offers from some of the webs biggest online bicycle parts retailers. Race promoters, local biking retail outlets and those that provide services to the biking community now dominate the advertising keeping the MTB Dirt community aware of the resources they have around them at all times.

Unfortunately the free systems out there we had been basing our website on have restrictions. They eventually seem to lose support or do not continue to develop new features that take advantage of the ongoing technologies applied to the internet. Updating the website to avoid system crashes and the like was becoming more difficult and it was evident that the expected growth would render the current systems unable to cope.

In 2006 we realised that road cycling in the Sth East Qld area also needed an online community. Having ridden and raced road in the 80’s it was interesting to see how the cycling community was still very much segregated and we felt a ‘hub’ for it might be beneficial to all. We decided to create a road cycling website as a ‘sister’ site to MTB Dirt, hence, ‘MTB’ became ‘Road’, and ‘Dirt’ became ‘Grime’, Road Grime was born and registered in July 2006. Road Grime ran as a .com until Sept 2007 when we registered it as Roadgrime.com.au.

Back then, a fellow called Andrew Von Berky was maintaining an online event calendar for the local racing scene and this was the only serious resource we had been able to find. We contacted Andrew to see if he minded us doing what we planned, and he was ecstatic that he could hand over the calendar responsibilities to us. Andrew was a great help in the first year of Road Grime with his constant monitoring of the calendar for us.

From the onset of Road Grime, we made agreements that overseas advertising would not feature on the website as long as we were supported by the local cycling businesses. To date we haven’t regretted this decision and pride ourselves in the relationships we have with many in the retail/commercial sector of this industry.

Cycling clubs are another focus we have, and we have always encouraged the clubs to use the website to promote their events and display their results. Our thinking is simple, cycling clubs are what keep the racing scene alive, and the more they are seen (for instance on Road Grime or MTB Dirt) then the more members they will hopefully attract. If all clubs and race promoters use our free to use event calendar, then hopefully that not only help boost the racing interest but also provide a useful resource for all the stakeholders to see what’s happening.

Into the Present

In 2009 we had to make some big changes in both our server and website design. There was nothing out there that met our requirements both now and in the future that we were happy with so a tough decision had to be made. We were going to have to develop our own system that could deal with what we planned to throw at it and something we could continually keep developing as the need arose.

Our current look and layout on both cycling sites had been in place for some time so we knew it was going to be dramatic to change this and have it widely accepted by the members. Nothing we ever do pleases everybody but we do at least try to please the majority if we can. Working within the parameters we had in place for business and practicality, in March 2009 the design process started again but this time it was from the ground up. We used our programmer from our Astro Visual Web Design company and, as money would allow, the long process began.

After as much minor testing as we could do with just a few keen moderators and systems managers to help, the new look MTB Dirt website, 'Astro Visual CMS' was launched in Aug 2009 to the members at large and we braced for the bugs and issues that invariably rise. And they did. More than we imagined. The next few months were spent identifying and creating ways to solve those issues and putting in member’s wish lists features as we have been able to afford to do so.
The server needed upgrades and software manipulation to cope with the new system and the extra traffic load it created also.

After more than a year of tweaking we were finally ready to move Road Grime to the same system because that also was running on an old system no longer supported. In Sept 2010 we launched Road Grime on the road cycling community and continue to add features and information like the new Ride Routes and Climbs section we are currently developing. This section offers the members not only info but also a chance to be pro-active in the website it self by submitting their own routes via the online interface.

That brings us up to date going into 2011.
Our future planning sees us continuing to support and host the local mountain bike/road cycling community with the continued intention of doing one thing properly rather than too many things badly. Perhaps we could branch out a little wider now, or perhaps it’s best to remain as we are. For now, we do intend on focusing solely on the local Sth East Qld (and Nth NSW) cycling community.

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We've just remembered that when we started Road Grime as contacted a guy who was doing his best to keep an online event calendar going for the local racing scene. He was estatic that he would be able to hand over the reigns to us and no longer have the responsibility of it.

For the life of me, and to my horror ... I've forgotten this guys name! He totally deserves a mention in that post above. All I can recall is something like Leo ... Van ... searchmegroan

HELP!!!! please

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Hmm I think it started with a B Leon Van B...something

Berkley or similar?

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Hmm I think it started with a B Leon Van B...something

Berkley or similar?

Yep .. .that's the guy!!

Von Berky ...Von Berkley ... hmmm we are closer Smile

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Andrew Von Berky

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Andrew Von Berky

YES!! That's it!! Thank you both!!

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Updated that first post to include Andrew's help Smile

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Thanks for the history MA. And Thanks for the RG site.

I, and I'm sure many of my fellow nerds, would like to hear more about the platform and tools that you use to implement RG. And please, please promise me that you will never go over to the dark side and use abobe flash in your pages.

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Thanks for the history MA. And Thanks for the RG site.

I, and I'm sure many of my fellow nerds, would like to hear more about the platform and tools that you use to implement RG. And please, please promise me that you will never go over to the dark side and use abobe flash in your pages.

I was going to make a full flash site for us next!!!

NOT!! Smile

Glad you found the history interesting.

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Fantastic efforts Steve & Leanne !!

09bravo09bravo09bravo09bravo09bravo09bravo09bravo09bravo Much appreciated !!

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Fantastic efforts Steve & Leanne !!

Thank you Smile

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MA thanks for the history of roadgrime and also congratulation for knowing the name of the boy but where is he ???

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Andrew is a busy man with a family and other things to do these days. I'm guessing he still cycles and is involved somewhere still, we just don't see him here any more.

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